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Writing the big paper on women and ministry…

My final hurrah for David Scholer’s class is a 15-20 page paper outlining my thoughts coming out of the class. I figure it’d be a good thing to do some pieces of it on this blog to get me going. It’s supposed to be a very personal wrestling match with the texts and personal experiences. Here’s the assignment:

Write a position paper (15-20 pages, including notes) on the role and status of Women in the New Testament and in the church today. It is assumed that this paper is based on class lectures and discussions, the New Testament (and Old Testament as appropriate), all required texts (especially those of Belleville, Doriani, Mickelsen, Pierce/Groothuis and Scholer) and any other reading and experience of the student. The paper should make frequent and appropriate mention of relevent biblical texts and clearly reflect use of the required reading. Due: December 6 before 5:00 p.m. to David M. Scholer’s office; 50% of the course grade.

In our class, Dr. Scholer emphasized that the issue of women in the ministry comes down to an hermeneutical approach. The complementarians (or traditionalists) hinge their argument on 1 Tim 2, while the egalitarians (or evangelical feminists) place Gal 3:28 in the place of hermeneutical honor. Complementarians see 1 Tim 2 as a clear text and therefore worthy of guiding the discussion. From their point of view, there is no arguing with the fact that Paul says, “I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she is to keep silent” (2:12). Some feminists would agree that this text is clear; that is, the text is clearly oppressive to women and therefore is unacceptable. Evangelical egalitarians such as Dr. Scholer, on the other hand, feel that no biblical text can simply be thrown out of the canon and instead suggest that this text has a different primary meaning. Scholer does not call it an easy text, but he does point out some tricky points for the complementarians argument (which I’ll get to in another post). Gal 3:28, which proclaims that there is “no longer . . . male and female,” is seen by egalitarians as a principial text, one that announces a clear (gospel) principle that colors the whole conversation. It is the ideal of the new creation. The reason we have difficult New Testament texts on this issue at all is an indication that Paul and other NT authors had one foot in the new creation and one foot in the old. They lived with the ideals of the gospel liberty within them, but existed within a patriarchal and androcentric culture.

Interestingly, Christina (my wife) and I have been watching Shakespeare in Love one bit at a time. [PLOT SPOILER] We’ve just watched the point when Viola has shockingly appeared on stage as Juliet in an era when only men played women and women would never be seen on stage. In fact, Mr. Tilney attempts to shut down the play and arrest the players for the very reason that a woman was among the actors. But this is only after Viola has given a stirring, beautiful performance as Juliet and the crowd is awestruck by the wonder of the play. Queen Elizabeth prevents the arrests by insisting that Viola is in fact Master Thomas Kent, a man, and thus no violations occurred. Elizabeth says: “Yes, the illusion is remarkable and your error, Mr. Tilney, is easily forgiven, but I know something of a woman in a man’s profession, yes, by God, I do know about that.” In this play, the people have seen that the woman player has done a magnificent job of filling in for a man, but it must be done with a wink and a nod. The tides of culture cannot be changed in an instant, even if the ability of women has just been proven.

Christians who view women’s roles in traditional ways must deny women’s pastoral/leadership abilities exist, find an alternate explanation for them, or grant they exist but only for certain (limited) roles. For example, when lauding the great strength of Perpetua, the 2nd-3rd century woman martyr, Augustine of Hippo wonders how Perpetua, a woman, could do such great things? He concludes that she was a woman on the outside, but a man on the inside (Scholer, class lecture 11/29/2006). As a matter of fact, Perpetua envisions herself as a man when she dreams of taking on Satan in the arena (“My clothes were stripped off, and suddenly I was a man,” Passio Perpetuae et Felicitatis , 10:7). It calls to memory the last verse of the gnostic text, The Gospel of Thomas, “Simon Peter said to them, ‘Make Mary leave us, for females don’t deserve life.’ Jesus said, ‘Look, I will guide her to make her male, so that she too may become a living spirit resembling you males. For every female who makes herself male will enter the kingdom of Heaven’” (114). The assumption was that women did not have the same abilities or virtues as men. The explanation for the appearance of those abilities and virtues: these particular women (the exceptions to the rule) have transcended their femaleness and have attained inner maleness.

It would be a rare complementarian these days that would argue, publicly at least, that women truly are not capable of doing the same things as men. Instead, the primary arguments are made theologically and biblically. Only men can be senior pastors, for example, because that’s the way that God made humanity, that’s what it says in the Bible. Are there women that are capable of doing it? Sure. But that is not the way it is supposed to be, they would say. This is why the conversation, if there is to be one, must take place on biblical grounds. If we toss aside the Bible, we make our arguments irrelevant to Bible-believing Christians. If we are Bible-believing (and Bible-following) Christians, we must wrestle with even the most difficult texts. There must be no proof text mudslinging here.

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  • Jeremy

    Terrific! I’m looking forward to these continuing bits of a paper. This is something I’ve been wanting to understand, but don’t have the gumption to actually research. This way they are presented in a manageable way for me!

    The role of women in the ministry was never much of an problem for me growing up. It was a church issue, and point of contention. But in my house, at least, it was understood that women were quite capable and permitted to take on ministry leadership roles. And Mennonites, at least in Harrisonburg, VA, where I had my spiritual coming-of-age, have been pretty accepting of women pastors. Several churches in that area have women as lead, and sometimes only, pastors.

    However, I now have several friends and coworkers who are quite conservative in their views of women in the ministry. So I am in a position of having to defend my understanding without the knowledge to do so. Doh.

    Carry on!

  • Patrick George McCullough

    Thanks for the encouragement, Jeremy! That’s the one thing that’s nice about working on a paper in “public” that you don’t get in isolated study :)

  • cassie andrews

    I am carrying out an investigation for my A2 media project on the representation of women in film and in particular the representation of women in action adventure films, mainly focussing on the hollywood films. I would be honoured if you would have a look at my blog and tlel me what you think about the way they are represnted . Thankyou

  • Matt

    Pat,

    Something that I kept thinking about while reading this entry…what if a biblical text IS unacceptable to our modern sensibilities? What if Paul was openly demeaning femininity, as many ideological interpreters claim he was? What should we do then? Accept the letter over the spirt? Or the spirt over the letter?

  • Patrick George McCullough

    Cassie, thanks for stopping by. I regret that I will not be able to return the favor until my finals week is over. But I’ll make a point of it.

  • Patrick George McCullough

    Matt, thanks for your probing questions. I wrestle with the same thing. It truly is one of the difficult conundrums of hermeneutics for Christians who live “according to the book.” I don’t want to read radical feminism into Paul, but I think one can see a hint of a more culturally-liberated ideal in the NT. That ideal was muffled, I think, by the cultural situation of the authors. One foot in the new creation and one foot in the old, as Scholer says. I say muffled, but not extinguished. There are pretty awful things said (if we’re reading with our modern perspectives), but I think with a close reading of the text, we can look for the “implied reading” as it were. What’s the real point? And I don’t think the point is to banish women from positions of leadership and make them subservient to men, but to be good witnesses to the gospel and not to distract the surrounding culture (as a brand spanking new religion in many eyes) by getting carried away in our “freedoms.” I think we can extract that implied reading and work with it from within our own culture in a different way. I guess you’d say that’s accepting the “spirit” of the letter, but should we really make a distinction there? Is the spirit of the letter really different from accepting the letter itself?

    Now, I haven’t really answered your questions. I’ve said, well, they may seem unacceptable to our modern sensibilities, but they’re really not if we look close enough. On this question (and I think I would have a similar answer about the way slavery is not condemned… and of course, it’s a different kind of slavery than we 21st century Americans imagine), I think that’s where I stand. But hypothetically speaking, if a text did truly go against my modern sensibilities, I think it would depend what those sensibilities were. Is this challenging the bad sensibilities that I have from the modern era, like hyper-individualism? Then I question my own perspective (difficult as it may be) and not the text. And if it were truly unacceptable, I guess I would point to the cultural context and try to figure things out from there (and here I can’t think of a good example in the NT . . . maybe violence in the OT, but that’s my Anabaptist ideal offended, not my modern outlook).

    It comes down to the reality that I belong to a tradition within which I cannot simply dismiss a biblical text just because it is difficult. I used to do that, but now I try to understand its situation and see what meaning I can find . . . the hermeneutical endeavor.

  • Matt

    Thanks for you comments! Very insightful, especially considering that this is finals week!

    I agree with you though. I believe that in Paul we see a highly “culturated” discussion when it comes to women, especially in 1 Corinthians. However, in Ephesians the case is quite different; 5:21 hermeneutically controls 5:22 (and I love that the TNIV has included 5:21 in the “household” section, while the NIV and others don’t!). That is not to say that there is no cultural imprint on the Eph 5 passage, there is. However, we can textually soften the violence done to modern sensibilities. As to the texts in Colossians, the Pastorals, and 1 Peter, they are more difficult. But again with what you call a “careful reading” we can glean much of value; specifically the call in all of those documents for husbands to be loving, considerate, and faithful. In this discussion we often forget the tall order presented to men by Paul! But these texts are hard nonetheless and have caused much disarray in biblical studies and church life in general (it is my unfounded contention that one of the motivating factors that scholars have to distance Ephesians, Colossians, and the Pastorals from Paul is the attitude toward women found in the them, i.e., it is often implied that Paul could not have had thoughts like that…he was the Apostle of the gospel that judged not based on gender [Gal 3:28]. In implying this, these scholars seem to forget, however, 1 Cor.).

    Keep up the good work. I wonder if the Plutarch text we’re reading has shed any light on this for you?

  • http://patmccullough.com/ Patrick George McCullough

    Nick Carter (http://www.truevictories.com/) wrote on the old location of this post:

    “I always get very frustrated at the “cultural” biased arguments… that the Bible was written in a patriarchal culture and therefore we can dismiss certain commans as only being relevant to that culture. 1 Peter 3:5 tells us that 1st century Greeks were to follow the model of Sara set 2000 years prior in another time and culture. Why is it so hard to believe we should do the same?”

    My response:
    Nick, same argument could be made for slavery. I’m glad we no longer condone slavery.