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	<title>Comments on: The Pledge of Allegiance and Civil Religion</title>
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		<title>By: slaveofone</title>
		<link>http://patmccullough.com/2007/04/22/the-pledge-of-allegiance-and-civil-religion/comment-page-1/#comment-241</link>
		<dc:creator>slaveofone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 22:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When the Jews were conquered by powers and authorities, despite the presence at times of many voices crying out for absorption into the new age and support of the unclean ways, they were able to find ways to both show honor and respect while refusing to defile their faith.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Thus, for instance, although every other nation worshipped their ruler and allowed images of their ruler or gods in their holy places, the Jews would have none of it--but instead offered sacrifices and prayers daily before YHWH on behalf of those in power over them.  We see this clearly in Josephus.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;In the Elphantine papyri, when the Jews in Egypt were turned away by Jerusalem, they appealed to Pagan authorities to restablish their Temple to YHWH in Egypt, promising to offer sacrifice and prayers for them so that YHWH would certainly bless them.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I suggest that in Christianity, there are also many ways to both respect powers and authorities without allowing them to usurp the place held by YHWH.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When the Jews were conquered by powers and authorities, despite the presence at times of many voices crying out for absorption into the new age and support of the unclean ways, they were able to find ways to both show honor and respect while refusing to defile their faith.</p>
<p>Thus, for instance, although every other nation worshipped their ruler and allowed images of their ruler or gods in their holy places, the Jews would have none of it&#8211;but instead offered sacrifices and prayers daily before YHWH on behalf of those in power over them.  We see this clearly in Josephus.</p>
<p>In the Elphantine papyri, when the Jews in Egypt were turned away by Jerusalem, they appealed to Pagan authorities to restablish their Temple to YHWH in Egypt, promising to offer sacrifice and prayers for them so that YHWH would certainly bless them.</p>
<p>I suggest that in Christianity, there are also many ways to both respect powers and authorities without allowing them to usurp the place held by YHWH.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick George McCullough</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick George McCullough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2007 14:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Josh and Michael. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I did say the pledge as a child. I didn&#039;t know any better. It didn&#039;t mean much to me at the time, but I look back and see myself getting indoctrinated in patriotism. One can see how our whole nation has been indoctrinated, since it is the cardinal sin to be called &quot;unpatriotic.&quot; True, as Jefferson says, &quot;Dissent is the highest form of patriotism.&quot; But still, we shouldn&#039;t be forced to be &quot;patriots,&quot; however you define it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Josh and Michael. </p>
<p>I did say the pledge as a child. I didn&#8217;t know any better. It didn&#8217;t mean much to me at the time, but I look back and see myself getting indoctrinated in patriotism. One can see how our whole nation has been indoctrinated, since it is the cardinal sin to be called &#8220;unpatriotic.&#8221; True, as Jefferson says, &#8220;Dissent is the highest form of patriotism.&#8221; But still, we shouldn&#8217;t be forced to be &#8220;patriots,&#8221; however you define it.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Westmoreland-White</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Westmoreland-White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 17:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josh, most Baptists deny their Anabaptist roots, I&#039;m sad to say.  The rampant nationalism is mostly confined to Southern Baptists, but various forms of civil religion seem to plague most traditions.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I want to agree that this is a great post. I refused to say the pledge as a child and I have fought to prevent schools from forcing my children to say the pledge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh, most Baptists deny their Anabaptist roots, I&#8217;m sad to say.  The rampant nationalism is mostly confined to Southern Baptists, but various forms of civil religion seem to plague most traditions.</p>
<p>I want to agree that this is a great post. I refused to say the pledge as a child and I have fought to prevent schools from forcing my children to say the pledge.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh McManaway</title>
		<link>http://patmccullough.com/2007/04/22/the-pledge-of-allegiance-and-civil-religion/comment-page-1/#comment-238</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh McManaway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2007 18:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post! I&#039;m always confused by the weird mix of Baptists and &quot;America = God&#039;s Chosen People.&quot; Perhaps a better understanding of Anabaptist heritage would remedy this? &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I&#039;ve also never thought about the idea that God is an afterthought, and a bad one at that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post! I&#8217;m always confused by the weird mix of Baptists and &#8220;America = God&#8217;s Chosen People.&#8221; Perhaps a better understanding of Anabaptist heritage would remedy this? </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve also never thought about the idea that God is an afterthought, and a bad one at that.</p>
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