Comments on: New Swartley Reviewed http://patmccullough.com/2007/05/23/new-swartley-reviewed/ a blog exploring Christian origins, biblical studies, social/cultural history, method, education and the journey through academia Mon, 05 Sep 2011 20:53:48 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1 By: Jim Getz http://patmccullough.com/2007/05/23/new-swartley-reviewed/comment-page-1/#comment-274 Jim Getz Thu, 24 May 2007 21:59:00 +0000 http://pgmccullough.wordpress.com/2007/05/23/new-swartley-reviewed/#comment-274 Michael, I think I remember you. My pic won't help b/c I had long hair in my Fuller days, but yours looks familiar. <br/><br/>Patrick, you left out Paul Keim who teach OT at Goshen, and don't forget Doug at PMC! (While Doug considers himself more a theologian, Sweeny <i>is</i> his dissertation adviser.) Still, it's mighty slim pickin's compared to those Anabaptists in NT (and let's not even bring up all the folks in theology and ethics!). Sometimes I just feel a little lonely.... ;-) Michael, I think I remember you. My pic won’t help b/c I had long hair in my Fuller days, but yours looks familiar.

Patrick, you left out Paul Keim who teach OT at Goshen, and don’t forget Doug at PMC! (While Doug considers himself more a theologian, Sweeny is his dissertation adviser.) Still, it’s mighty slim pickin’s compared to those Anabaptists in NT (and let’s not even bring up all the folks in theology and ethics!). Sometimes I just feel a little lonely…. ;-)

]]> By: Michael Westmoreland-White http://patmccullough.com/2007/05/23/new-swartley-reviewed/comment-page-1/#comment-273 Michael Westmoreland-White Thu, 24 May 2007 20:31:00 +0000 http://pgmccullough.wordpress.com/2007/05/23/new-swartley-reviewed/#comment-273 I've been dying to read this.<br/>I also would give a shout out to PMC. I attended there in 2000 when I was Visiting Prof. at Fuller. PMC very much reminded me of my church in Louisville, Jeff Street Baptist Community, with its casual clothes, multi-cultural members, lively music--and 10 minutes of peace and justice announcements before the service started! :-) I’ve been dying to read this.
I also would give a shout out to PMC. I attended there in 2000 when I was Visiting Prof. at Fuller. PMC very much reminded me of my church in Louisville, Jeff Street Baptist Community, with its casual clothes, multi-cultural members, lively music–and 10 minutes of peace and justice announcements before the service started! :-)

]]> By: Patrick George McCullough http://patmccullough.com/2007/05/23/new-swartley-reviewed/comment-page-1/#comment-272 Patrick George McCullough Thu, 24 May 2007 16:40:00 +0000 http://pgmccullough.wordpress.com/2007/05/23/new-swartley-reviewed/#comment-272 Anon: Yes, one <i>might</i>, and I did think about that as I was writing this. Of course, Swartley himself does not take that step in his book on <a HREF="http://www.amazon.com/dp/0836192451/" REL="nofollow">the topic</a>, but I have not read it so I cannot offer up judgment.<br/><br/>Personally, I will not jump into that debate, particularly here on a public blog, awaiting the firing squads of both right and left. Anon: Yes, one might, and I did think about that as I was writing this. Of course, Swartley himself does not take that step in his book on the topic, but I have not read it so I cannot offer up judgment.

Personally, I will not jump into that debate, particularly here on a public blog, awaiting the firing squads of both right and left.

]]> By: Anonymous http://patmccullough.com/2007/05/23/new-swartley-reviewed/comment-page-1/#comment-271 Anonymous Thu, 24 May 2007 16:30:00 +0000 http://pgmccullough.wordpress.com/2007/05/23/new-swartley-reviewed/#comment-271 Patrick, thanks for the heads up on this book. It's one I'd very much like to read! You said:<br/><br/>"One realizes that the same kinds of arguments that were made for slavery based on the Bible are used for advocating the total submission of women to men."<br/><br/>One might add: and for denying gays and lesbians the opportunity to respond to a call to the vocations of marriage or ordained ministry. Patrick, thanks for the heads up on this book. It’s one I’d very much like to read! You said:

“One realizes that the same kinds of arguments that were made for slavery based on the Bible are used for advocating the total submission of women to men.”

One might add: and for denying gays and lesbians the opportunity to respond to a call to the vocations of marriage or ordained ministry.

]]> By: Patrick George McCullough http://patmccullough.com/2007/05/23/new-swartley-reviewed/comment-page-1/#comment-270 Patrick George McCullough Thu, 24 May 2007 16:29:00 +0000 http://pgmccullough.wordpress.com/2007/05/23/new-swartley-reviewed/#comment-270 Yes, indeed, my wife and I attend PMC. I am finishing up a pastoral internship there right now. Did you go to PMC while you were at Fuller?? If so, that's pretty cool :)<br/><br/>As for Anabaptist OT scholars... well, there's Jim Brenneman, but he's <a HREF="http://www.goshen.edu/inauguration/" REL="nofollow">naturally distracted from performing OT scholarship at the moment</a>. Millard Lind, of course. Waldemar Janzen. There are a couple Brethren in Christ OT scholars at Messiah... Terry Brensinger and Gordon Brubacher. Terry is the pastor of my "home" church, Grantham BIC, and wrote the BCBC on Judges. Gordon is working on the BCBC for 1 & 2 Kings.<br/><br/>Considering <a HREF="http://www.anabaptistnetwork.com/node/247" REL="nofollow">their history with the Bible</a>, it is easy to see why so many Anabaptists focus on the NT. But I think that the broader issue is that many Anabaptist biblical scholars don't publish widely in the field of biblical studies and more Anabaptists are drawn to ethics as a discipline rather than biblical studies. That is obviously related to Anabaptist history too, but also the legacy of JH Yoder.<br/><br/>I hope the trend changes and more Anabaptist scholars can focus their efforts on exploring the text of the Bible itself, before jumping quickly to other topics of application. That's what I hope to do. Yes, indeed, my wife and I attend PMC. I am finishing up a pastoral internship there right now. Did you go to PMC while you were at Fuller?? If so, that’s pretty cool :)

As for Anabaptist OT scholars… well, there’s Jim Brenneman, but he’s naturally distracted from performing OT scholarship at the moment. Millard Lind, of course. Waldemar Janzen. There are a couple Brethren in Christ OT scholars at Messiah… Terry Brensinger and Gordon Brubacher. Terry is the pastor of my “home” church, Grantham BIC, and wrote the BCBC on Judges. Gordon is working on the BCBC for 1 & 2 Kings.

Considering their history with the Bible, it is easy to see why so many Anabaptists focus on the NT. But I think that the broader issue is that many Anabaptist biblical scholars don’t publish widely in the field of biblical studies and more Anabaptists are drawn to ethics as a discipline rather than biblical studies. That is obviously related to Anabaptist history too, but also the legacy of JH Yoder.

I hope the trend changes and more Anabaptist scholars can focus their efforts on exploring the text of the Bible itself, before jumping quickly to other topics of application. That’s what I hope to do.

]]> By: Jim Getz http://patmccullough.com/2007/05/23/new-swartley-reviewed/comment-page-1/#comment-269 Jim Getz Thu, 24 May 2007 16:11:00 +0000 http://pgmccullough.wordpress.com/2007/05/23/new-swartley-reviewed/#comment-269 So, does this mean you go to PMC? If so, say "hi" to old crew for me ;-)<br/><br/>The book looks good, but why are there so many NT Mennonite scholars and so few in OT? :-/ So, does this mean you go to PMC? If so, say “hi” to old crew for me ;-)

The book looks good, but why are there so many NT Mennonite scholars and so few in OT? :-/

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