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		<title>By: Drew</title>
		<link>http://patmccullough.com/2007/10/31/assertions-vs-arguments/comment-page-1/#comment-375</link>
		<dc:creator>Drew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 17:12:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a very important point that I see too often in my students&#039; as well.  My test is to ask them &quot;Why&quot;? at every stage of the paper.  the second step is to say, now that you have given substantiation to your claim, &quot;So what?&quot;

What I do with them is explain the difference between an hypothesis and a theory.  An hypothesis is a generalized assumption made about a given set of reliable data that one seeks to prove (or dis-prove the null hypothesis).  A theory is a proven hypothesis or set of hypotheses rooted in predictable statements about patterns in data presented.

This is useful language to bring into a conversation about rhetorical strategy in crafting an argument since it clearly reveals where an argument in convincing versus where an argument in fallacious.  I get into debates of this sort all the time with atheists in their hook line and sinker appraisals of Dawkins, Hitchens and Harris who present loads of fallacies that offer more noisy rhetoric than substantiated arguments.

Thanks to AKMA for linking to this post!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a very important point that I see too often in my students&#8217; as well.  My test is to ask them &#8220;Why&#8221;? at every stage of the paper.  the second step is to say, now that you have given substantiation to your claim, &#8220;So what?&#8221;</p>
<p>What I do with them is explain the difference between an hypothesis and a theory.  An hypothesis is a generalized assumption made about a given set of reliable data that one seeks to prove (or dis-prove the null hypothesis).  A theory is a proven hypothesis or set of hypotheses rooted in predictable statements about patterns in data presented.</p>
<p>This is useful language to bring into a conversation about rhetorical strategy in crafting an argument since it clearly reveals where an argument in convincing versus where an argument in fallacious.  I get into debates of this sort all the time with atheists in their hook line and sinker appraisals of Dawkins, Hitchens and Harris who present loads of fallacies that offer more noisy rhetoric than substantiated arguments.</p>
<p>Thanks to AKMA for linking to this post!</p>
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		<title>By: Akma &#187; Duly Noted</title>
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		<dc:creator>Akma &#187; Duly Noted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 15:53:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] who has gotten a paper back from me with the annotation “asserted, not argued” should recognize Patrick’s entry concerning Prof. Marianne Meye Thompson’s expectations of her students. You may not like it, but [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] who has gotten a paper back from me with the annotation “asserted, not argued” should recognize Patrick’s entry concerning Prof. Marianne Meye Thompson’s expectations of her students. You may not like it, but [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick George McCullough</title>
		<link>http://patmccullough.com/2007/10/31/assertions-vs-arguments/comment-page-1/#comment-373</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick George McCullough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 17:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Chris! Sounds good :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Chris! Sounds good <img src='http://patmccullough.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 17:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Patrick.  MMT was the most critical (in a good way!) of my dissertation.  It made for a better final product, no doubt.  Listen to her!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I&#039;ve directed my students in &lt;i&gt;ST511: Orientation to Theological Studies&lt;/i&gt; to this post. I hope it might spike your traffic a little and also give them something to chew on as they work toward their term papers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Patrick.  MMT was the most critical (in a good way!) of my dissertation.  It made for a better final product, no doubt.  Listen to her!</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve directed my students in <i>ST511: Orientation to Theological Studies</i> to this post. I hope it might spike your traffic a little and also give them something to chew on as they work toward their term papers.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick George McCullough</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick George McCullough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 15:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Judy. I appreciate &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://judyredman.wordpress.com/2007/11/02/assertions-arguments-and-presenting-your-research/&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;your response on your blog&lt;/a&gt;, too.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I think Thompson might allow for moments where you mention the opinion of scholars and where they make their arguments, as long as you realize that this is not in itself evidentiary support. I suppose it is like saying: &quot;These scholars argue thus. If we assume these scholars to be correct, let&#039;s wrestle with some implication of that assumption.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;In the example about the Johannine community that I cite, the article went on to make an argument suggesting that the Gospel is an etiology of said community, as they were projecting their beliefs and socially sectarian situation back upon Jesus&#039; life. That there is a Johannine community is a foundational assumption for his argument. I think it would have been helpful if he would have at least spelled out what the arguments are for this community (even if he does not give a full-fledged argument himself).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Judy. I appreciate <a HREF="http://judyredman.wordpress.com/2007/11/02/assertions-arguments-and-presenting-your-research/" REL="nofollow">your response on your blog</a>, too.</p>
<p>I think Thompson might allow for moments where you mention the opinion of scholars and where they make their arguments, as long as you realize that this is not in itself evidentiary support. I suppose it is like saying: &#8220;These scholars argue thus. If we assume these scholars to be correct, let&#8217;s wrestle with some implication of that assumption.&#8221;</p>
<p>In the example about the Johannine community that I cite, the article went on to make an argument suggesting that the Gospel is an etiology of said community, as they were projecting their beliefs and socially sectarian situation back upon Jesus&#8217; life. That there is a Johannine community is a foundational assumption for his argument. I think it would have been helpful if he would have at least spelled out what the arguments are for this community (even if he does not give a full-fledged argument himself).</p>
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		<title>By: Judy Redman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Judy Redman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 09:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patrick, you say:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;One cannot support every single assertion in a paper, of course.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;No, but instead of saying &quot;it has become abundantly clear that...&quot; you can say &quot;many scholars agree that...&quot; and footnote a number of those who do.  I assume this is different to her point about the majority view, because you are demonstrating both that this is true and who it is who agrees.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patrick, you say:</p>
<p>&#8220;One cannot support every single assertion in a paper, of course.&#8221;</p>
<p>No, but instead of saying &#8220;it has become abundantly clear that&#8230;&#8221; you can say &#8220;many scholars agree that&#8230;&#8221; and footnote a number of those who do.  I assume this is different to her point about the majority view, because you are demonstrating both that this is true and who it is who agrees.</p>
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