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	<title>Comments on: Jesus&#039; Family Values</title>
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		<title>By: Patrick George McCullough</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick George McCullough</dc:creator>
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		<description>Hi Steph, I really appreciate your visit and comment. I certainly agree that elements of honor and shame are alive today some parts here and there within Western culture, but it is nothing like the pervasive all-encompassing way of life in honor/shame societies. So, we might find it in some corners of political life (as you suggest), in the mafia, or in gangs, but for the majority of Western culture: not so much.

I agree that Jesus was an apocalyptic prophet of some sort and in fact my own research is focused on apocalyptic eschatology (from a social historical perspective). But Jesus seems an interesting blend of apocalyptic eschatology and other forms of the prophetic, which are more &quot;optimistic.&quot; That is, Jesus tells of a coming end, but he also seems to suggest that &quot;what&#039;s wrong with the world&quot; can be addressed even before the ultimate end by radically changing one&#039;s way of life (not that it&#039;s just about the individual). For me, Jesus has too many social teachings for them not to be take seriously. Maybe &quot;literally&quot; isn&#039;t the best term, since people mean so many different things by that, but I don&#039;t think he&#039;s throwing these teachings around for nothing.

You are certainly more qualified to assess sources than I am. I understand that you&#039;ve done extensive research with Q, based on your comments at Wrong&#039;s blog. It may be my ignorance in this area that hinders me from understanding why your comment about Matthew supports your statement. I believe &quot;hate&quot; refers to the need to realign one&#039;s allegiance.

When you place Jesus&#039; teachings within their social context, I remain convinced of the arguments by Bartchy and several other Context Group folks in this regard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Steph, I really appreciate your visit and comment. I certainly agree that elements of honor and shame are alive today some parts here and there within Western culture, but it is nothing like the pervasive all-encompassing way of life in honor/shame societies. So, we might find it in some corners of political life (as you suggest), in the mafia, or in gangs, but for the majority of Western culture: not so much.</p>
<p>I agree that Jesus was an apocalyptic prophet of some sort and in fact my own research is focused on apocalyptic eschatology (from a social historical perspective). But Jesus seems an interesting blend of apocalyptic eschatology and other forms of the prophetic, which are more &#8220;optimistic.&#8221; That is, Jesus tells of a coming end, but he also seems to suggest that &#8220;what&#8217;s wrong with the world&#8221; can be addressed even before the ultimate end by radically changing one&#8217;s way of life (not that it&#8217;s just about the individual). For me, Jesus has too many social teachings for them not to be take seriously. Maybe &#8220;literally&#8221; isn&#8217;t the best term, since people mean so many different things by that, but I don&#8217;t think he&#8217;s throwing these teachings around for nothing.</p>
<p>You are certainly more qualified to assess sources than I am. I understand that you&#8217;ve done extensive research with Q, based on your comments at Wrong&#8217;s blog. It may be my ignorance in this area that hinders me from understanding why your comment about Matthew supports your statement. I believe &#8220;hate&#8221; refers to the need to realign one&#8217;s allegiance.</p>
<p>When you place Jesus&#8217; teachings within their social context, I remain convinced of the arguments by Bartchy and several other Context Group folks in this regard.</p>
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		<title>By: steph</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 10:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think Jesus is &#039;taking on&#039; the social institution of the ancient Mediterranean.  As an apocalyptic prophet with an urgent message to return to God and judgment, these saying aren&#039;t to be taken literally. Matthew for example has the better Greek translation of an Aramaic source than Luke 14.26.  Where love and hate appear next to each other in Hebrew scripture, hate is to be taken in the sense of &#039;love-less&#039;.  As for honour and shame culture, that still exists today in Western culture and remember expecially Bush (&#039;if you&#039;re not with us you&#039;re against us&#039;, and &#039;he tried to kill my daddy&#039;) and Blair&#039;s rhetoric and the so called &#039;war on terror&#039;, Maggie Thatcher and the Faulkland War etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think Jesus is &#8216;taking on&#8217; the social institution of the ancient Mediterranean.  As an apocalyptic prophet with an urgent message to return to God and judgment, these saying aren&#8217;t to be taken literally. Matthew for example has the better Greek translation of an Aramaic source than Luke 14.26.  Where love and hate appear next to each other in Hebrew scripture, hate is to be taken in the sense of &#8216;love-less&#8217;.  As for honour and shame culture, that still exists today in Western culture and remember expecially Bush (&#8217;if you&#8217;re not with us you&#8217;re against us&#8217;, and &#8216;he tried to kill my daddy&#8217;) and Blair&#8217;s rhetoric and the so called &#8216;war on terror&#8217;, Maggie Thatcher and the Faulkland War etc.</p>
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