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	<title>Comments on: If Jim West is a &quot;Biblioblogger&quot; . . . Who Isn&#039;t?</title>
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		<title>By: Mike&#8217;s Meme: 5 Most Inflential Female Biblical Scholars &#171; kata ta biblia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike&#8217;s Meme: 5 Most Inflential Female Biblical Scholars &#171; kata ta biblia</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] Wason, Julia O&#8217;Brien because she&#8217;s got a great blog, Loren Rosson III (who extended a nice comment on my Jim West post), and Chris Spinks (who mediated what could have been a disastrous collision [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Everyone gets a comeuppance &#8211; even Dr. Jim West &#124; The Church of Jesus Christ</title>
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		<dc:creator>Everyone gets a comeuppance &#8211; even Dr. Jim West &#124; The Church of Jesus Christ</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Listening to Women&#8217;s Voices &#171; kata ta biblia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Listening to Women&#8217;s Voices &#171; kata ta biblia</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Patrick George McCullough</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick George McCullough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 21:16:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Colin:&lt;/b&gt; Thanks for another thoughtful comment. A few things . . .

First, &lt;i&gt;Why&lt;/i&gt; do you include yourself and why are you welcomed? What do you feel makes you a biblioblogger? It is certainly more than just a feeling or a statement. If you blogged about sea urchins and not a lick about biblical studies, but called yourself a biblioblogger, I&#039;m not sure you&#039;d really be accepted as one (not that there&#039;s anything wrong with blogging about sea urchins). So, what is it?

Secondly, I don&#039;t care about policing. I have no interest in exclusion. There is no biblioblog police, but I imagine if someone didn&#039;t really fit the expectations of what a biblioblog is (e.g., Steve&#039;s Sea Urchin Heaven), then people simply wouldn&#039;t read the blog. They wouldn&#039;t have anything relevant for the carnival, certainly wouldn&#039;t qualify to stand out as a biblioblogger of the month, and the folks at Biblioblog Top 50 could make their own decision based upon feedback that they receive.

Finally, about those who don&#039;t wish to be included, I would want find people that could possibly fit our biblioblogging communal identity and start interacting with them. I would link to them and recommend them. If they don&#039;t feel like engaging in this community and getting the extra traffic/dialogue, that&#039;s their choice. But I don&#039;t see anything wrong with offering it.

The thing is, these fuzzy parameters that I suggest are part of my motivations to find more blogs. I&#039;m actually trying to broaden the category as far as it can go--trying to include more people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Colin:</b> Thanks for another thoughtful comment. A few things . . .</p>
<p>First, <i>Why</i> do you include yourself and why are you welcomed? What do you feel makes you a biblioblogger? It is certainly more than just a feeling or a statement. If you blogged about sea urchins and not a lick about biblical studies, but called yourself a biblioblogger, I&#8217;m not sure you&#8217;d really be accepted as one (not that there&#8217;s anything wrong with blogging about sea urchins). So, what is it?</p>
<p>Secondly, I don&#8217;t care about policing. I have no interest in exclusion. There is no biblioblog police, but I imagine if someone didn&#8217;t really fit the expectations of what a biblioblog is (e.g., Steve&#8217;s Sea Urchin Heaven), then people simply wouldn&#8217;t read the blog. They wouldn&#8217;t have anything relevant for the carnival, certainly wouldn&#8217;t qualify to stand out as a biblioblogger of the month, and the folks at Biblioblog Top 50 could make their own decision based upon feedback that they receive.</p>
<p>Finally, about those who don&#8217;t wish to be included, I would want find people that could possibly fit our biblioblogging communal identity and start interacting with them. I would link to them and recommend them. If they don&#8217;t feel like engaging in this community and getting the extra traffic/dialogue, that&#8217;s their choice. But I don&#8217;t see anything wrong with offering it.</p>
<p>The thing is, these fuzzy parameters that I suggest are part of my motivations to find more blogs. I&#8217;m actually trying to broaden the category as far as it can go&#8211;trying to include more people.</p>
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		<title>By: Colin Toffelmire</title>
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		<dc:creator>Colin Toffelmire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 20:59:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The carnival and Top 50 and cool little logos are all well and good, but they do not create the community, nor do they define it&#039;s parameters.  I&#039;ve never hosted a carnival (been mentioned once), don&#039;t have a blog listing on Top 50, don&#039;t use the logo, but I still consider myself a part of the biblioblogging community.  I&#039;m included because I include myself.

It is also important that the community in question is welcoming and allows me to include myself.  That can&#039;t be accomplished with rules or definitions or guidelines, but only by a spirit of honest openness and conversation.

In any case, how would you police your defined community?  And how would you include someone if they don&#039;t choose to include themselves?  In other words, how can parameters that exclude lead to inclusion?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The carnival and Top 50 and cool little logos are all well and good, but they do not create the community, nor do they define it&#8217;s parameters.  I&#8217;ve never hosted a carnival (been mentioned once), don&#8217;t have a blog listing on Top 50, don&#8217;t use the logo, but I still consider myself a part of the biblioblogging community.  I&#8217;m included because I include myself.</p>
<p>It is also important that the community in question is welcoming and allows me to include myself.  That can&#8217;t be accomplished with rules or definitions or guidelines, but only by a spirit of honest openness and conversation.</p>
<p>In any case, how would you police your defined community?  And how would you include someone if they don&#8217;t choose to include themselves?  In other words, how can parameters that exclude lead to inclusion?</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick George McCullough</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick George McCullough</dc:creator>
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		<description>Thanks, Loren. I appreciate it. Yeah, I think there is a big gray area in trying to balance out all the variables. And even with those considerations, I would prefer to give a blog the benefit of the doubt in trying to determine whether it &quot;fits&quot; into the category of a &quot;biblioblog.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Loren. I appreciate it. Yeah, I think there is a big gray area in trying to balance out all the variables. And even with those considerations, I would prefer to give a blog the benefit of the doubt in trying to determine whether it &#8220;fits&#8221; into the category of a &#8220;biblioblog.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick George McCullough</title>
		<link>http://patmccullough.com/2009/09/03/if-jim-west-is-a-biblioblogger-who-isnt/comment-page-/#comment-1099</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick George McCullough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 20:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Colin, thanks for that comment. I appreciate the thought and I agree with much of what you have said. The interactions I have with other bloggers is most often quite organic. We are in one another&#039;s readers, we something interesting, we interact.

But we also have these communally defining &quot;events&quot;: ranking of biblioblogs, carnival of biblioblogs, biblioblogger of the month. This goes beyond an organic process of natural interaction. In each of these monthly &quot;events,&quot; choices need to be made as far as what we call a &quot;biblioblog&quot; or who we call a &quot;biblioblogger.&quot;

Those choices need to meet a reasonable standard for what other &quot;bibliobloggers&quot; would agree constitutes their communal identity--more or less.

What happens in the &quot;natural&quot; process of blogging is that we often get pigeon-holed into our own mini-blogging worlds. These larger events help us to see other things of interest and help to drive traffic between our blogs--networking.

My interest is not to exclude (though that is a consequence), but to be intentional about &lt;i&gt;including&lt;/i&gt; bloggers (particularly women) who have not as yet &lt;i&gt;naturally&lt;/i&gt; flowed into our collection of mini-organic-blogging conversations.

Does that make sense?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Colin, thanks for that comment. I appreciate the thought and I agree with much of what you have said. The interactions I have with other bloggers is most often quite organic. We are in one another&#8217;s readers, we something interesting, we interact.</p>
<p>But we also have these communally defining &#8220;events&#8221;: ranking of biblioblogs, carnival of biblioblogs, biblioblogger of the month. This goes beyond an organic process of natural interaction. In each of these monthly &#8220;events,&#8221; choices need to be made as far as what we call a &#8220;biblioblog&#8221; or who we call a &#8220;biblioblogger.&#8221;</p>
<p>Those choices need to meet a reasonable standard for what other &#8220;bibliobloggers&#8221; would agree constitutes their communal identity&#8211;more or less.</p>
<p>What happens in the &#8220;natural&#8221; process of blogging is that we often get pigeon-holed into our own mini-blogging worlds. These larger events help us to see other things of interest and help to drive traffic between our blogs&#8211;networking.</p>
<p>My interest is not to exclude (though that is a consequence), but to be intentional about <i>including</i> bloggers (particularly women) who have not as yet <i>naturally</i> flowed into our collection of mini-organic-blogging conversations.</p>
<p>Does that make sense?</p>
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		<title>By: Loren Rosson III</title>
		<link>http://patmccullough.com/2009/09/03/if-jim-west-is-a-biblioblogger-who-isnt/comment-page-1/#comment-1100</link>
		<dc:creator>Loren Rosson III</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 12:43:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very insightful post, Pat. Years ago there was some &lt;a href=&quot;http://lorenrosson.blogspot.com/2005/09/bibliobloggers.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;discussion&lt;/a&gt; on the prerequisites of a biblioblog. I had suggested that around 2/3 of what&#039;s posted should be biblical studies related, though I&#039;ve violated this rule myself (not least this past month!).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very insightful post, Pat. Years ago there was some <a href="http://lorenrosson.blogspot.com/2005/09/bibliobloggers.html" rel="nofollow">discussion</a> on the prerequisites of a biblioblog. I had suggested that around 2/3 of what&#8217;s posted should be biblical studies related, though I&#8217;ve violated this rule myself (not least this past month!).</p>
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		<title>By: Colin Toffelmire</title>
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		<dc:creator>Colin Toffelmire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 12:42:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is it important to draw lines around a given blogging community?  Such lines are by their nature arbitrary.  How about this, if somebody wants to be called a biblioblogger, then they&#039;re in the club.  Blogging communities are organic by their nature.  They develop when a certain group of bloggers begins to interact, and they are accessible to anybody who stumbles across them and wishes to participate.  By all means invite others to be a part of any given blogging community, but it is ludicrous to suggest that these kinds of things can be dealt with through formal definitions and the like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is it important to draw lines around a given blogging community?  Such lines are by their nature arbitrary.  How about this, if somebody wants to be called a biblioblogger, then they&#8217;re in the club.  Blogging communities are organic by their nature.  They develop when a certain group of bloggers begins to interact, and they are accessible to anybody who stumbles across them and wishes to participate.  By all means invite others to be a part of any given blogging community, but it is ludicrous to suggest that these kinds of things can be dealt with through formal definitions and the like.</p>
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		<title>By: If Jim West is a “Biblioblogger” . . . Who Isn’t? &#171; Biblical Paths</title>
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		<dc:creator>If Jim West is a “Biblioblogger” . . . Who Isn’t? &#171; Biblical Paths</dc:creator>
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