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Is Mike Patronizing Women in a Tokenistic Sort of Way?

Some believe that Mike’s meme is patronizing or amounts to tokenism. How dare he highlight women who are doing good scholarship! The audacity! Seriously, I do understand the concern, but I think it is only tokenism if it is a token and nothing else. That is, if one has  no interest in taking on the issue more deeply and doesn’t truly care whether women (or other minorities) succeed, or doesn’t genuinely seek parity in the field.

It is patronizing if you think the people who created these lists seriously had doubts as to whether women really are capable of scholarship. For example, if someone prefaced their list: “You know, when I started out in scholarship, I didn’t think women were capable of forming a logical sentence. I have since been pleasantly surprised that females have been able to do a few decent things. Boy, the gals in this list sure show some initiative.” It doesn’t have to be as blatant as all that, I know. But I think you get the point. For most of us who are participating in this meme, I don’t get the sense that we are either patronizing or offering mere tokens.

These have simply been lists of scholars who have influenced us and who also just so happen to be women. It is not that we are amazed that , “gee, women can write too!” Rather, it is that we want to recognize a few women who have changed the way we look at things. I affirm Mike Kok’s attempt at offering something positive and constructive while some others ratchet up the hostile rhetoric.

Update: Please see the comments below for clarification on James’ post and the “tokenism” issue. This update brought to you by the insistence of Stephanie Louise Fisher.

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  • James Crossley

    Ah, just for the record (and as I’ve said), I never said Mike K’s meme was not on my mind and I didn’t say it amounts to tokenism. I said that lists shouldn’t be tokenistic. These are, ultimately, two different things.

  • http://www.thegoldenrule1.wordpress.com Mike Koke

    Thanks Pat for getting what I was trying to do. I apologize if people did take it in a patronizing sort of way, I meant it more as one way to respond to the issue of underrepresentation of women in the blogosphere. That was honestly my only intention behind it.

  • http://patmccullough.com/ Patrick George McCullough

    I see your follow-up comment now, James. Thanks for the clarification.

    For the benefit of others, this was the original comment in question: “for the love of all things holy, e) avoid the impression that listing favourite women might just be little more than tokenism (Jim West was right to critique this sort of thing).” I neglected to fully recognize the words “avoid the impression” and instead assumed you were agreeing with a few others who had negative reactions to the meme in and of itself (no matter how it’s used). My apologies.

    Still, some others may be thinking what I thought you said (if that makes sense), so I’m glad to have the opportunity to bring it up here.

  • stephanie louise fisher

    I think it’s odd that you link to James’ post which neither directly nor indirectly refers to Mike’s meme. Don’t you think you are misrepresenting him?

  • http://patmccullough.com/ Patrick George McCullough

    Thanks for the comment, Steph. I believe this ground has already been covered in my interaction with James in the comments here. Please read my comment above–it seems you may have missed it.

    Does that help? I wasn’t intentionally misrepresenting him, but rather I misunderstood him. I wasn’t interested in attacking James, but rather the reaction that I think some were having about the meme in general. I still think it was valid ground to cover even though James wasn’t the representation of it that I originally thought he was.

  • stephanie louise fisher

    of course I didn’t miss it! The point is, that as you must know well, people do not always read comments. They’re a bit like a footnotes. If they’re really important they ought to be in the text. Of course Jimmy Dunn would dispute that, but that’s another matter…

  • http://patmccullough.com/ Patrick George McCullough

    People should totally read the footnotes! :) But I have updated the original post by including a link to the comments if people are interested in James’ specific post.

    As an aside, doesn’t your statement “of course I didn’t miss it!” kind of undermine the argument in the rest of your comment?

  • stephanie louise fisher

    no, not at all – I often read comments while others often don’t. Same with footnotes.