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	<title>Comments on: Has Logos Bible Software made the competition obsolete?</title>
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		<title>By: Patrick George McCullough</title>
		<link>http://patmccullough.com/2009/11/28/has-logos-made-competition-obsolete/comment-page-/#comment-1349</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick George McCullough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 20:43:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I think they recognize the importance of cross-platform use and are working on it. They have something for Mac, even if it&#039;s not ideal. And they&#039;ve got something for the iPhone/iPod Touch even if it&#039;s not ideal. So, they&#039;re moving in that direction.

I don&#039;t know that I share your feelings regarding the demise of Windows. Just numbers-wise, how many people have Windows versus how many people have Linux? I can understand the frustration you have if you&#039;re unwilling to use the big bad evil Windows, but the company is working on serving its customers in different ways, like producing more resources. I wouldn&#039;t demonize them over that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I think they recognize the importance of cross-platform use and are working on it. They have something for Mac, even if it&#8217;s not ideal. And they&#8217;ve got something for the iPhone/iPod Touch even if it&#8217;s not ideal. So, they&#8217;re moving in that direction.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know that I share your feelings regarding the demise of Windows. Just numbers-wise, how many people have Windows versus how many people have Linux? I can understand the frustration you have if you&#8217;re unwilling to use the big bad evil Windows, but the company is working on serving its customers in different ways, like producing more resources. I wouldn&#8217;t demonize them over that.</p>
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		<title>By: slaveofone</title>
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		<dc:creator>slaveofone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 20:20:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that cross-platform compatibility is a major issue. If you can&#039;t use software on your computer, what good is it? Unfortunately, it appears that Logos isn&#039;t willing to hire the people it needs to become cross-platform capable, let alone platform independent. Unless you run the particular operating system of Logos&#039; choice, you will be unable to use their software. I spoke with them at SBL a few years back about this, pleading with them to make their software run on Linux/Unix and that was basically their response. If I want to use their software, I&#039;m going to have to buy a new computer and/or install a different operating system (Windows). NO THANKS.

This is not only backwards in terms of a business model (the company tells their customers how to meet their demands instead of meeting the customers&#039; computing needs), but it&#039;s simply ridiculous. We are fast moving into an era where software that is hopelessly tied to a particular system will either become obsolete or will lose customer base to others who are more willing to be cross-platform and platform independent and I think Logos will eventually find this out the hard way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that cross-platform compatibility is a major issue. If you can&#8217;t use software on your computer, what good is it? Unfortunately, it appears that Logos isn&#8217;t willing to hire the people it needs to become cross-platform capable, let alone platform independent. Unless you run the particular operating system of Logos&#8217; choice, you will be unable to use their software. I spoke with them at <acronym title="Society of Biblical Literature">SBL</acronym> a few years back about this, pleading with them to make their software run on Linux/Unix and that was basically their response. If I want to use their software, I&#8217;m going to have to buy a new computer and/or install a different operating system (Windows). NO THANKS.</p>
<p>This is not only backwards in terms of a business model (the company tells their customers how to meet their demands instead of meeting the customers&#8217; computing needs), but it&#8217;s simply ridiculous. We are fast moving into an era where software that is hopelessly tied to a particular system will either become obsolete or will lose customer base to others who are more willing to be cross-platform and platform independent and I think Logos will eventually find this out the hard way.</p>
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		<title>By: clayboy &#187; Biblical Studies Carnival XLVIII</title>
		<link>http://patmccullough.com/2009/11/28/has-logos-made-competition-obsolete/comment-page-1/#comment-1351</link>
		<dc:creator>clayboy &#187; Biblical Studies Carnival XLVIII</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 00:25:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] A different kind of session was a competetive software shootout, covered here by Rick Mansfield. Michael Heiser pronounced his beloved Logos the winner, and a row ensued. Rick Mansfield has subsequently taken down his feisty and fighting response. (I&#8217;ve re-read it, and can&#8217;t see why, apart from his first question which seems to be down to a confusion / mistake in the conference programme.) You can read another account on Deinde with a whole lot of further links. Pat McCullough also chimes in. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] A different kind of session was a competetive software shootout, covered here by Rick Mansfield. Michael Heiser pronounced his beloved Logos the winner, and a row ensued. Rick Mansfield has subsequently taken down his feisty and fighting response. (I&#8217;ve re-read it, and can&#8217;t see why, apart from his first question which seems to be down to a confusion / mistake in the conference programme.) You can read another account on Deinde with a whole lot of further links. Pat McCullough also chimes in. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Danny Zacharias</title>
		<link>http://patmccullough.com/2009/11/28/has-logos-made-competition-obsolete/comment-page-1/#comment-1345</link>
		<dc:creator>Danny Zacharias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 13:22:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris made the point I wanted to make about the iPhone version. I think the Logos iPhone app is a great thing- but you are not going to be syncing your library to your iPhone. You will be syncing your library to a cloud, and your iPhone will be able to use and access anything in your cloud. If you can&#039;t connect to the cloud (internet connection) then you got nothing. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris made the point I wanted to make about the iPhone version. I think the Logos iPhone app is a great thing- but you are not going to be syncing your library to your iPhone. You will be syncing your library to a cloud, and your iPhone will be able to use and access anything in your cloud. If you can&#8217;t connect to the cloud (internet connection) then you got nothing. <img src='http://patmccullough.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Heard</title>
		<link>http://patmccullough.com/2009/11/28/has-logos-made-competition-obsolete/comment-page-1/#comment-1344</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher Heard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 04:56:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those of us who work on a Macintosh, Logos is not even close to making the competition obsolete. Never mind that some of us have 15+ years&#039; worth of monetary investment in Accordance modules, the &lt;em&gt;shipping&lt;/em&gt; Mac version of Logos has already been abandoned by Logos in favor of an entirely new application that uses the Windows code base and is currently considered an &quot;alpha pre-release.&quot; Given how long it took Logos to ship Logos for Mac v1, I don&#039;t expect Logos for Mac v4 (or however they will number it) to dethrone Accordance &lt;em&gt;on the Macintosh platform&lt;/em&gt; anytime soon. Also, I can use &lt;em&gt;all&lt;/em&gt; of my Accordance modules and Bible Reader (for iPhone) modules &lt;em&gt;without&lt;/em&gt; an Internet connection—that&#039;s not true for the Logos iPhone application (I don&#039;t have direct personal experience with the desktop version of Logos 4). I like Mike, and if I were buying into Bible research software &lt;em&gt;for the first time&lt;/em&gt; for use on the &lt;em&gt;Windows platform&lt;/em&gt;, I would probably consider Logos the odds-on favorite (although other Pepperdine faculty have negotiated group licenses with BibleWorks, so the choice might be made for me on the PC). But the &lt;em&gt;Mac&lt;/em&gt; version of Accordance is still quite preferable to the &lt;em&gt;Mac&lt;/em&gt; version of Logos, in my view.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those of us who work on a Macintosh, Logos is not even close to making the competition obsolete. Never mind that some of us have 15+ years&#8217; worth of monetary investment in Accordance modules, the <em>shipping</em> Mac version of Logos has already been abandoned by Logos in favor of an entirely new application that uses the Windows code base and is currently considered an &#8220;alpha pre-release.&#8221; Given how long it took Logos to ship Logos for Mac v1, I don&#8217;t expect Logos for Mac v4 (or however they will number it) to dethrone Accordance <em>on the Macintosh platform</em> anytime soon. Also, I can use <em>all</em> of my Accordance modules and Bible Reader (for iPhone) modules <em>without</em> an Internet connection—that&#8217;s not true for the Logos iPhone application (I don&#8217;t have direct personal experience with the desktop version of Logos 4). I like Mike, and if I were buying into Bible research software <em>for the first time</em> for use on the <em>Windows platform</em>, I would probably consider Logos the odds-on favorite (although other Pepperdine faculty have negotiated group licenses with BibleWorks, so the choice might be made for me on the PC). But the <em>Mac</em> version of Accordance is still quite preferable to the <em>Mac</em> version of Logos, in my view.</p>
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